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KomaTous · May 05, 2008, 11:37 AM // 11:37

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Originally Posted by EPO Bot

Perhaps you guys who want to solo everything just need a single player RPG? There are many of them out there, and most have better stories then GW.

Very true... I think the sales clerks should start telling people this before they buy a MMO of any kind

but i was on these forums about 7months ago... and im pretty sure there were like 4 topics going on about 7 heroes cant believe you guys are still speaking about it

Star Gazer · May 05, 2008, 11:47 AM // 11:47

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Originally Posted by EPO Bot

Perhaps you guys who want to solo everything just need a single player RPG? There are many of them out there, and most have better stories then GW.

ie = PLAY MY WAI OR GTFO!!

pugs suck. i dont like playing with other people. give us a spark back in this game. kthx

BlackSephir · May 05, 2008, 12:20 PM // 12:20

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Originally Posted by EPO Bot

Perhaps you guys who want to solo everything just need a single player RPG? There are many of them out there, and most have better stories then GW.

And perhaps you're too stupid to realize that GW was and still is advertised as a game that you can solo and that was one of the reasons I bought it.
Just a thought...
If I want to play with other people, I go pvp. And that's because I can beat the crap out of other people.

Abedeus · May 05, 2008, 12:37 PM // 12:37

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Originally Posted by BlackSephir

And perhaps you're too stupid to realize that GW was and still is advertised as a game that you can solo and that was one of the reasons I bought it.
Just a thought...
If I want to play with other people, I go pvp. And that's because I can beat the crap out of other people.

QFT. But if I want to play with other people, I go to games where PvE is actually challenging.

Sparks Dawnbringer · May 05, 2008, 01:03 PM // 13:03

/yes, yes, a thousand times YES. We have them and are going to use them. If people want to pug they will, and if they don't they will muddle through with the henchies. I often play with my brother and we take 6 heros with us. But when he is not available it would be nice to get some use out of Goren or Gwen or Master of Wispers or Koss or Vekk. As it is now they are just another money sink eating up runes for armor and using all my good weapons. Here's for using Heros all of them, they are getting lonely and might go on strike if we don't use them more. (Rmeember the Monks)

Gun Pierson · May 05, 2008, 01:47 PM // 13:47

Socialising in an online game, how ironic. I go outside to get some real human contact, not by typing in a text box. I don't wanne team up with strangers, can be scammers/hackers or whatever. You don't know who you're playing with and I don't like that idea so don't force me to play with potential internet scum.

Just wanne play this game with real life friends or alone. If they're not online, the option should be there to play with 7 heroes, just because it's already possible to play with 6 heroes if you have 2 accounts.

The code already exists like 'Black Sephir' mentionned. Balance is no issue either if you followed the topic. Interface problem is also bull, because it's up to you how many windows you wanne see. No one forces you to open all 7 at once. And many wouldn't mind the other 4 heroes to be passively controlled like we have henchies now.

Mewcatus · May 05, 2008, 04:53 PM // 16:53

Actually, i got a conspiracy idea, the only reason why they refuse to release 7 heroes is simple: Anet WANTS to get SPEND more to get those heroes.

Simply by being quiet on the issue, and with people slowly but surely pining to get more heroes, eventually, some players would just buy more copies of GW just for the heroes.

Smart corporate move IMHO.

MasterSasori · May 05, 2008, 05:28 PM // 17:28

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Originally Posted by strcpy

The only other game I see that remotely is similar is Diablo II. However it's old enough that you surely aren't telling me to go play that (I might as well tell you that the original EQ is good enough if you want an MMO)? Nor does it fill the same niche that GW fills (though it did fill a similar one at one time).

There you go.

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Originally Posted by strcpy

The boxes I have say I can play the game solo or in a group if I so choose so I'm not sure why I should go elsewhere if I want to play solo - it seems to me as if *you* came here expecting something that wasn't advertised. It's not like AI companions are something new in GW and the original players were screwed.

The only thing I came but didn't expect was the amount of grinding despite the advertisement. I just don't think this is the game you should be soloing at. Course everyone wants the short cut unless they go Ursan.

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Originally Posted by strcpy

It's quite laughable that at this point in the game you tell solo players go elsewhere as they have been one of the largest groups since the game was released, in fact they were *the* largest groups shortly after release. The game has been a mostly solo game since about 6 months into release (about when people stopped forming PUGS for anything outside of the harder missions).

The point is that pugs are still part of the game - It doesn't matter whether or not soloists are one of the biggest group. If 7 heros discourage the pugs, then it shouldn't be implemented. As I said before, the one good thing about Ursan is that it brings together people that wouldn't have considered before, into a pug.

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Originally Posted by strcpy

Within the first year PUGS had died and it was mostly guilds, friends list, and hench.

Unless you can prove it with hard facts, it remains subjective.

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Originally Posted by strcpy

It is way too late to tell people who want to solo the game that it isn't for them, given the amount of us who have happily done so for years (along with the general complaints in this thread about how you can only solo stuff and not get groups) you mostly look like an idiot claiming that. If you and others had pushed it 2.5-3 years ago maybe you would have gotten your way, now it's too late.

You look like an idiot claiming that everyone is happy with the situation - that's totally biased. Not everyone has a good guild to party with or has the ability to solo 90% of the game. If you're one of those good for you, but there are others in the GW community that require more pugging.

This still isn't meant to be a solo game it's all about team effort. There's a reason why ANet didn't put all 7 heros for the individual player. The heros gave players more flexibility on what they want in a party, but unless they want to be stuck with henches, they can go for other people.

pumpkin pie · May 05, 2008, 05:42 PM // 17:42

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Originally Posted by MasterSasori

The point is that pugs are still part of the game - It doesn't matter whether or not soloists are one of the biggest group. If 7 heros discourage the pugs, then it shouldn't be implemented. As I said before, the one good thing about Ursan is that it brings together people that wouldn't have considered before, into a pug.

Why worry if Ursan is bringing players together? You will still have your Ursan puggers.

Facts remains players who don't want to pug now will not pug, even with Ursan, like myself (level 8), unless absolutely necessary, I don't pug often. I can safely say 90% of the time I am playing on my own with H/H. If puggers can get Ursan why can't players who wish to play alone with H/H get 7 Heros and go exploring all the elite missions? Why are we being subjected to other players scrutiny? I played the game best with H/H in PvE, a quest/mission that I can complete under half an hours becomes a one hour mission with pug. So why do I have to waste that extra half hour (rough estimate) just becasue some players think MMORPG is playing with lots of other people?

Hugh Manatee · May 05, 2008, 08:45 PM // 20:45

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This still isn't meant to be a solo game it's all about team effort.

Yeah... my ideal team is composed of me and 7 other AIs that I control, get that through your skull buddy. If you aren't meant to e able to go it alone WHY HAVE THERE BEEN HENCHMEN FROM DAY 1. GW isn't like other mmorpgs, it's very debatable that you could even call it one(IMO GW just barely qualifies as an RPG it has more RTS/FPS aspects honestly, a very unique experience). Most games have big single player with multi tacked on, this one is a little backwards. As far as I'm concerned outside of PvP, GW is a single player game I log into over the internet, via a 1 time subscription fee(and a few upgrades). I have little problem with this(aside from the lack of access to the elite mission, that I have a problem with).

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If 7 heros discourage the pugs, then it shouldn't be implemented. As I said before, the one good thing about Ursan is that it brings together people that wouldn't have considered before, into a pug.

Thing is, Pugs Discourage pugs. Like all the horror stories mentoned before, I started H&Hing in the desert and THK. Ursan didn't convince me to pug, not much will(I only have the skill on like 3/12 slots, and those were only done for the quest rewards ore then the skill itself). All the norn elites did was make a mediocre, idiot proof bar that any braindead fool could run, and add in another source of rank discrimination(LFG R10 Norn Show).

EPO Bot · May 05, 2008, 09:40 PM // 21:40

Solo or not, the solution to every problem in GW is finding a good guild.

Navaros · May 05, 2008, 09:47 PM // 21:47

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Originally Posted by MasterSasori

The point is that pugs are still part of the game - It doesn't matter whether or not soloists are one of the biggest group. If 7 heros discourage the pugs, then it shouldn't be implemented.

This still isn't meant to be a solo game it's all about team effort. There's a reason why ANet didn't put all 7 heros for the individual player. The heros gave players more flexibility on what they want in a party, but unless they want to be stuck with henches, they can go for other people.

7 Heroes does not discourage PUGs because those who hate to PUG are not gonna ever PUG with the 3 Hero limit either. 3 Hero limit has zero effect on encouraging PUGs.

And even if it did, (but it doesn't) 7 Heroes still should be implemented because the back of the GW box states it's the individual's choice to play solo if he wants to. GW is not meant to be about "team effort" for those who did not choose for it to be. Especially not with PUGs. At least until Anet officially retracts the statement on the back of the GW box stating that it's supposed to be a personal choice to play solo, not a "forced to PUG against your will" game.

Those who love to PUG should not be able to dictate to to those to hate to PUG that their choice of how to play the game should be gimped. Especially because the Hero fans are not ever gonna be playing with those who love to PUG anyhow, and thus their "reasons" for keeping Heroes gimped to 3 have no actual affect on anything whatsoever, other than to annoy a lot of players.

It should also be noted that those who love to PUG also don't have any right to tell people who hate to PUG to go play other games instead. Those who love to PUG can just as well go play other games instead. Their gameplay choice is not "superior" or "more valid" to the gameplay choice of those who hate to PUG, so they should stop acting like it is.

bryann380 · May 05, 2008, 10:01 PM // 22:01

Anet has already said "no" to having 7 heroes... so why is this discussion still going on?

BlackSephir · May 05, 2008, 10:05 PM // 22:05

Do you know why they said no?

berlioz7 · May 05, 2008, 10:05 PM // 22:05

This is one of the reasons I will not be buying GW2, that along with the endless line of nerfs. Why give players a just enough of a good thing to make them need more to truely make it viable, but not do it. If they wanted people to pug then they should not have added hencies from the start.

HuntMaster Avatar · May 05, 2008, 10:49 PM // 22:49

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Originally Posted by EPO Bot

Perhaps you guys who want to solo everything just need a single player RPG? There are many of them out there, and most have better stories then GW.

Gw works fine as a single player rpg, you might not think so, but your thoughts have very little to do with my fun. I enjoy gw solo with h/h.

So far no one has given a good reason why 7 heroes is bad. seems like anet and anets fanatic fanboys just like to limit the enjoyment of those who's tastes differ from themselves.

If anet is unwilling to give fans what they want then why would the fans give anet what they want? GW2 is looking like it will have less players than gw1 at this rate. Ignore the fans, and the fans will eventually find a new game to play that anet has nothing to do with. WoW is successful because they give fans what the fans want. Anet could learn a lesson from them.

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Originally Posted by EPO Bot

Solo or not, the solution to every problem in GW is finding a good guild.

The problem with this is, If you find an adult guild who are mature and helpful, they are almost never on due to work,school, family life and other responsibilities. Different time zone's and playing hours impact the ability to play together too. Kid guilds are online more than adult guilds, as kids have less responsibilities than adults and normally have atleast alittle more time. But in a kid guild the immaturity, greed, endless bragging and other failings of youth are a constant bother for some of us who have grown up past these childish phases.

I am in a pretty adult guild with mostly mature people, but again they are never online when I am online, I have been in about 7-8 guilds since i started playing, I left 5 of those guilds due to scammers, braggers, jerks or beggers. I left 2 other guilds due to non activity, they played while I slept, I played while they slept. and 1 guild booted me for not playing daily or having the build they thought I should be using.

So saying "find a good guild" is like saying "find 100k in pre" its nearly impossible nor is it worth the trouble.

cthulhu reborn · May 05, 2008, 10:59 PM // 22:59

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Originally Posted by bhavv

Why would I want to play with 1 other person if I can play alone? I hardly ever do that, and you actually think it is possible to find 1 other person to do everything that you want to do with in the game? lol.

/waiting for AoC.

Like I said, you can do most missions with heroes and henchies and only need another player in a couple for the bonus mostly. And yes it is possible to find one person to help. Perhaps you are not in a guild but there are plenty of guilds advertising. If you can't even make one friend in a game this size I think you have a personal problem.

And honestly if you really want a single player rpg then perhaps you should play a single player rpg...

HuntMaster Avatar · May 05, 2008, 11:04 PM // 23:04

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Originally Posted by cthulhu reborn

And honestly if you really want a single player rpg then perhaps you should play a single player rpg...

GW IS a single player rpg,and it is also a multiplayer rpg, Its up to the player how they choose to play it. I'v beaten all the games with H/H. I think I played 3 missions with a friend and thats it. So find something new to say.

Disco_Will_Not_Die · May 06, 2008, 12:16 AM // 00:16

I just love the idea of it because it reminds me of RPGs like final fantasy where you can modify each person in your team.

Sure, the game wasn't meant to be played like FF, but if they added in more reasons to party or use henchies, I feel people would still use them.

Red Sonya · May 06, 2008, 12:26 AM // 00:26

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Originally Posted by BlackSephir

And perhaps you're too stupid to realize that GW was and still is advertised as a game that you can solo and that was one of the reasons I bought it.
Just a thought...
If I want to play with other people, I go pvp. And that's because I can beat the crap out of other people.

And that's all it advertised that you could solo, it did not advertise that you needed or would even get 7 heroes, in fact origionally it didn't even advertise heroes at all. So, you already got more than you deserved since you had henchies to choose from to begin with. They gave you 3 heroes you could build on your own and that's all you're going to get as that's all they've advertised now.

So, go solo (as advertised).

It's easy to do.